Comments on: Political Issues http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com A Native American's Perspective on Contemporary Political & Social Issues Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:23:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Larry Ramirez http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-77 Larry Ramirez Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:54:37 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-77 Reading and finding Native authors is a invaluable. The reality is this is our family Reading and finding Native authors is a invaluable. The reality is this is our family

]]> By: Larry Ramirez http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-66 Larry Ramirez Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:43:49 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-66 this is good. You should read stuff that is more Native in origin, The Mexican historians or Indian's like Vine Deloria. Read,"God is Red "or Red Earth White LIes" this is good. You should read stuff that is more Native in origin, The Mexican historians or Indian’s like Vine Deloria. Read,”God is Red “or Red Earth White LIes”

]]> By: Emilio http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-26 Emilio Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:45:55 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-26 As I told you I only assumed that thru grampa we were Huastecas. I'm very appreciative of the information, and stand corrected. I assume you have put down some of this history that pertains to our people. You did say you were going to or have started to write a book about our people. As far as the assimilation of peoples thru the world I take my information as to corrected history by the brilliant and profound book called the URANTIA BOOK. My studies have been history, by many sources, books, bible and so on. My search has been for truth and God. All my life I have experienced visions dreamed dreams, and subconsciously heard voices, all of this after 70 years of life I have finally interpreted them these last 12 years. It is this search that led me to this brilliant book which covers the person of God, his many created celestial beings are revealed. The many worlds, Universes in existence. The creation of our solar system. The real origination and beginning of man, and it wasn't Adam and Eve. It describes the spreading of mankind from its birth in Afghanistan and its growth in all directions. Six races originated in India and we the Red left Asia because of constant war with the Yellow race. And finally this brilliant book tells us in the very last section of this book. That a fella by the name of Jesus Christ did indeed come down to earth and spent some 36 years with us, and that Jesus was our creator and creator of everything you see. I don't know if your search for truth or of whats up over the mountain is over but I would believe your still looking. Your to fine a mind to say hoaah horsy I believe I have arrived. There is always something over there to look at. This manuscript is brilliant enough for any man on this planet. It authors are claimed to be celestials. There is alot of talk about this book, many pros and cons. You must read it to either appreciate it or burn it. You see the books thickness will discourage you from reading it, its 2097 pages long. A short book report on -- wikipedia.org/wiki/theurantiabook--Here you can also read the pros and cons. A short cut and by this you may determine to read it or not. Believe me cuss its a real good read, mind expanding, mind blowing away. From the many years of messages from my messengers they have prepared me for an evangelical career. 70 years is a kinda late start for an evangelical career, I know that, but my spirits have informed me of a long life to do this. All my growing life and then some I always wanted to know what do I want to be when I grew up? I want to in some way help just before the return of Jesus. Even our brother Mayas believe something is eminent. Later cuss, tell me more about our Indian history. As I told you I only assumed that thru grampa we were Huastecas. I’m very appreciative of the information, and stand corrected. I assume you have put down some of this history that pertains to our people. You did say you were going to or have started to write a book about our people.

As far as the assimilation of peoples thru the world I take my information as to corrected history by the brilliant and profound book called the URANTIA BOOK. My studies have been history, by many sources, books, bible and so on. My search has been for truth and God. All my life I have experienced visions dreamed dreams, and subconsciously heard voices, all of this after 70 years of life I have finally interpreted them these last 12 years. It is this search that led me to this brilliant book which covers the person of God, his many created celestial beings are revealed. The many worlds, Universes in existence. The creation of our solar system. The real origination and beginning of man, and it wasn’t Adam and Eve. It describes the spreading of mankind from its birth in Afghanistan and its growth in all directions. Six races originated in India and we the Red left Asia because of constant war with the Yellow race. And finally this brilliant book tells us in the very last section of this book. That a fella by the name of Jesus Christ did indeed come down to earth and spent some 36 years with us, and that Jesus was our creator and creator of everything you see.

I don’t know if your search for truth or of whats up over the mountain is over but I would believe your still looking. Your to fine a mind to say hoaah horsy I believe I have arrived. There is always something over there to look at. This manuscript is brilliant enough for any man on this planet. It authors are claimed to be celestials. There is alot of talk about this book, many pros and cons. You must read it to either appreciate it or burn it. You see the books thickness will discourage you from reading it, its 2097 pages long. A short book report on — wikipedia.org/wiki/theurantiabook–Here you can also read the pros and cons. A short cut and by this you may determine to read it or not. Believe me cuss its a real good read, mind expanding, mind blowing away.

From the many years of messages from my messengers they have prepared me for an evangelical career. 70 years is a kinda late start for an evangelical career, I know that, but my spirits have informed me of a long life to do this. All my growing life and then some I always wanted to know what do I want to be when I grew up? I want to in some way help just before the return of Jesus. Even our brother Mayas believe something is eminent. Later cuss, tell me more about our Indian history.

]]> By: Larry Ramirez http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Larry Ramirez Mon, 06 Sep 2010 03:06:16 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-24 Cuz, I grew up with grandpa and momma when i was 11. I lived there and then lived in the rectory with the priest for a while. When i lived with granda and momma he would tell me stories of the lake he lived by as a boy in Mexico, He's Tarascan. He told me my moms people were Apache and Yaqui. He told me he meet many Indians who were taken to prison and killed in mexico. Remember Arizona was in Mexico. not part of the US. The Yaqui are the only tribe in history never to surrender to the US or Mexico. I collect the historical books from the Dept of Ethnology. This was the department that studied us as a conquered people. Its the real stuff. They even have pictures in print style. In the 1900's Mexican government under the president Dias had bounty on Yaqui. So my moms people came to California. You would get 100 paseo's for a male scalpe and ears and 50 for a female,25 for a child. Remember who wrote what. They book you are referring to has been edited to fit the times. It was written by a priest who wanted the pope to send money and support the conquest of Mexico and the Southwest. Names are interesting like the Navahos is Spanish for newcomers, Apache is a slang word for enemy. If you ever see a map of the early days of conquest you will see Apacharea meaning "enemy territory" Every Indian was a enemy. They didn't know one indian from another. The word Aztec is a make up word. There are some good books Like " Education for extinction" or Images of new world". But I think you would like the books written by an Indian man who was a very importannt person to me in my life. His name is Vine Deloria. He wrote "God is Red" and"The metaphysics of modern existance" He was a layer and Indian. He also wrote a book called "Red earth White Lies" Your idea of coming from china is WRONG. our DNA is different. All this is propaganda for the bible. They needed to have some connection to how we came about. When you go to college you find out how much stuff we are taught is wrong about native people. The Idea we were savages is part of that. If that was true we would have killed the white man when he got off the boats. Read a book by a german guy called 'Images for the new world" and read the conversations that were recorded in the books of the native people. They wrote in pictures. They had to make us look like savages so they could kill us and take our land. They listen to the catholic priest tell us about the story of Jesus. They the asked so where is the religion. They wanted to know about the place in the solar system where we stand and what happens to us when we turn to light.That we came from light and we return to light. The planet is our home and we are responsible for the caring for our planet. Don't by the stories form tv or books written by people who would have there own agenda. We are products of all kinds of crap. Some of the books i have were written in 1800'S and falling apart.There is no recorded war of any Indian People over Religion.We feel our relationship with the creator is personal and his creature our just like us. Spend time in silents and see how you can communicate with creatures. To the white man everything is for him and what ever he thinks is good for him. We were animals at one time. WE fought over land but even then we didn't kill people. We would even have games to decide such things. They found a Native place in south America that is 15K years old with no weapons. Why?? I hope this helps. Cuz, I grew up with grandpa and momma when i was 11. I lived there and then lived in the rectory with the priest for a while. When i lived with granda and momma he would tell me stories of the lake he lived by as a boy in Mexico, He’s Tarascan. He told me my moms people were Apache and Yaqui. He told me he meet many Indians who were taken to prison and killed in mexico. Remember Arizona was in Mexico. not part of the US.
The Yaqui are the only tribe in history never to surrender to the US or Mexico. I collect the historical books from the Dept of Ethnology. This was the department that studied us as a conquered people. Its the real stuff. They even have pictures in print style. In the 1900′s Mexican government under the president Dias had bounty on Yaqui. So my moms people came to California. You would get 100 paseo’s for a male scalpe and ears and 50 for a female,25 for a child.
Remember who wrote what. They book you are referring to has been edited to fit the times. It was written by a priest who wanted the pope to send money and support the conquest of Mexico and the Southwest. Names are interesting like the Navahos is Spanish for newcomers, Apache is a slang word for enemy. If you ever see a map of the early days of conquest you will see Apacharea meaning “enemy territory” Every Indian was a enemy. They didn’t know one indian from another. The word Aztec is a make up word. There are some good books Like ” Education for extinction” or Images of new world”. But I think you would like the books written by an Indian man who was a very importannt person to me in my life. His name is Vine Deloria. He wrote “God is Red” and”The metaphysics of modern existance” He was a layer and Indian. He also wrote a book called “Red earth White Lies” Your idea of coming from china is WRONG. our DNA is different. All this is propaganda for the bible. They needed to have some connection to how we came about. When you go to college you find out how much stuff we are taught is wrong about native people. The Idea we were savages is part of that. If that was true we would have killed the white man when he got off the boats. Read a book by a german guy called ‘Images for the new world” and read the conversations that were recorded in the books of the native people. They wrote in pictures. They had to make us look like savages so they could kill us and take our land. They listen to the catholic priest tell us about the story of Jesus. They the asked so where is the religion. They wanted to know about the place in the solar system where we stand and what happens to us when we turn to light.That we came from light and we return to light. The planet is our home and we are responsible for the caring for our planet.
Don’t by the stories form tv or books written by people who would have there own agenda. We are products of all kinds of crap.
Some of the books i have were written in 1800′S and falling apart.There is no recorded war of any Indian People over Religion.We feel our relationship with the creator is personal and his creature our just like us. Spend time in silents and see how you can communicate with creatures. To the white man everything is for him and what ever he thinks is good for him. We were animals at one time. WE fought over land but even then we didn’t kill people. We would even have games to decide such things. They found a Native place in south America that is 15K years old with no weapons. Why??
I hope this helps.

]]> By: Emilio http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Emilio Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:43:16 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-19 Cuss Larry My knowledge of the Azteca History is limited to what we learn on television and books from school. I spent many hours with our grandfather as a young boy and latter as an adult. We left Corona in 1950s, my father had lost his job at Call Ranch in Corona. We as family [Ramirez] lost contact with each other almost immediately. The last time I saw you was a few years or so after you won the College World Series, and even then we hadn't seen each other for many years. My education in the teaching of the Azteca's came by way of a larger book called "The Azteca" about 1500 pages. I don't remember the authors name, but it was a Jesuit priest who was the co-author, gave credit too an young Indian, for this work. It was supposedly written in the early 1500's by this priest who took it upon himself to start writing the history of the Azteca's. His work was supposedly sent to Spain where the author got the original story from. This priest and a young Indian collaborated in the writing of this book. It does describe the assimilation of the Aztec Nation by a northern waring tribe, as many as 500 tribes were defeated and assembled into the Aztec nation, according to this book. I spent the last few days of our grandfathers life talking to him in his dark garage. The discussion of our Indian heritage was discussed. He gave me a run down on our family history and his story he shared with me. He said we were Huasteca and Tarasco . My remembrance as to what the Ramirez's were, I mean there Indian heritage, I am not positive, but I remember the many stories he told me of the ocean and fishing and eating oysters, he would say "Mijo I would go up to my knees in water and then reach under the water and scoop the oysters up and then with a little lemon juice on the oyster and down it went." These sea stories led me to believe he was the Huasteca, from the Yucatan peninsula. Tell me from where did you get the information that he was a Tarasco? Well, at one time there was no such word as Azteca, but there is now, Mexico is known as the "Paise Azteca " thru out the world. The Book "The Azteca" was originally written in the 1514 and it used the word "Azteca" hmmm it does not add up when you say the word was invented by some guy back at the turn of the century. Tell me about this discrepancy, I love our Indian heritage and would like to tell it in its total truthfulness. The name given to us Indians by our creators is; " Amerins or Amerindian," we crossed the Alaskan peninsula some 85000 years ago and eventually populated the whole continent. The Urantia book describes us like this: "The oldest Amerindian culture was the Onamonalonton center in California, but this had long since vanished by 35,000 years BC. In Mexico, Central America, and in the mountains of South America the later and more enduring civilizations were founded by a race predominantly red...." UB 884:2 The Urantia Book describes three Indian leaders; one among the Shawnee, name was Teuskwatowa a true prophet. and later Onamonalonton and Hesunanin great Indian leaders of long ago. It was Onamonalonton who coined the word "The Great Spirit." and brought our ancestors peace. It seems our forefathers were always a war like people, 65,000 years ago. UB 723:8 Talk to me cuss, we have a lot of catching up to do. ....Emilio Cuss Larry
My knowledge of the Azteca History is limited to what we learn on television and books from school. I spent many hours with our grandfather as a young boy and latter as an adult. We left Corona in 1950s, my father had lost his job at Call Ranch in Corona. We as family [Ramirez] lost contact with each other almost immediately. The last time I saw you was a few years or so after you won the College World Series, and even then we hadn’t seen each other for many years.

My education in the teaching of the Azteca’s came by way of a larger book called “The Azteca” about 1500 pages. I don’t remember the authors name, but it was a Jesuit priest who was the co-author, gave credit too an young Indian, for this work. It was supposedly written in the early 1500′s by this priest who took it upon himself to start writing the history of the Azteca’s. His work was supposedly sent to Spain where the author got the original story from. This priest and a young Indian collaborated in the writing of this book. It does describe the assimilation of the Aztec Nation by a northern waring tribe, as many as 500 tribes were defeated and assembled into the Aztec nation, according to this book.

I spent the last few days of our grandfathers life talking to him in his dark garage. The discussion of our Indian heritage was discussed. He gave me a run down on our family history and his story he shared with me. He said we were Huasteca and Tarasco . My remembrance as to what the Ramirez’s were, I mean there Indian heritage, I am not positive, but I remember the many stories he told me of the ocean and fishing and eating oysters, he would say “Mijo I would go up to my knees in water and then reach under the water and scoop the oysters up and then with a little lemon juice on the oyster and down it went.” These sea stories led me to believe he was the Huasteca, from the Yucatan peninsula. Tell me from where did you get the information that he was a Tarasco?

Well, at one time there was no such word as Azteca, but there is now, Mexico is known as the “Paise Azteca ” thru out the world. The Book “The Azteca” was originally written in the 1514 and it used the word “Azteca” hmmm it does not add up when you say the word was invented by some guy back at the turn of the century. Tell me about this discrepancy, I love our Indian heritage and would like to tell it in its total truthfulness. The name given to us Indians by our creators is; ” Amerins or Amerindian,” we crossed the Alaskan peninsula some 85000 years ago and eventually populated the whole continent. The Urantia book describes us like this: “The oldest Amerindian culture was the Onamonalonton center in California, but this had long since vanished by 35,000 years BC. In Mexico, Central America, and in the mountains of South America the later and more enduring civilizations were founded by a race predominantly red….” UB 884:2

The Urantia Book describes three Indian leaders; one among the Shawnee, name was Teuskwatowa a true prophet. and later Onamonalonton and Hesunanin great Indian leaders of long ago. It was Onamonalonton who coined the word “The Great Spirit.” and brought our ancestors peace. It seems our forefathers were always a war like people, 65,000 years ago. UB 723:8
Talk to me cuss, we have a lot of catching up to do.
….Emilio

]]> By: Larry Ramirez http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Larry Ramirez Thu, 02 Sep 2010 00:21:58 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-18 yes, its from my mom. She was Yaqui and chirrichua, Grandpa was tarasco . There is no such thing as Aztec. Its a made up word from some guy back in the turn of the century who made it up. They are Mexca. thats where you get the word Mexican. Pronounced Mey She Ca yes, its from my mom. She was Yaqui and chirrichua, Grandpa was tarasco . There is no such thing as Aztec. Its a made up word from some guy back in the turn of the century who made it up. They are Mexca. thats where you get the word Mexican. Pronounced Mey She Ca

]]> By: Emilio http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-17 Emilio Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:43:06 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-17 Cuss Lary I see where it got printed out, just above this link. Last time I blogged you nothing printed up above this comment space. To complete your Indian Heritage you need to add Huasteca, Asteca from the Yucatan peninsula and Tarasco from the state of Michuacan, also from the Asteca tribe. Cuss Lary

I see where it got printed out, just above this link. Last time I blogged you nothing printed up above this comment space.

To complete your Indian Heritage you need to add Huasteca, Asteca from the Yucatan peninsula and Tarasco from the state of Michuacan, also from the Asteca tribe.

]]> By: Emilio http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-16 Emilio Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:36:11 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-16 Lary Cuss Emilio here. How does this blog work? I sent you a message some time ago but I can't find where it was answered. The Indian heritage you claim here is not from the side of Epamusena our grandfather. So I assume it from your mom side. Is that right? Lary

Cuss Emilio here. How does this blog work? I sent you a message some time ago but I can’t find where it was answered. The Indian heritage you claim here is not from the side of Epamusena our grandfather. So I assume it from your mom side. Is that right?

]]> By: Nils Gjertson http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Nils Gjertson Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:06:59 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-10 Thanks Larry! I'm very glad i stumbled upon this. Thanks Larry! I’m very glad i stumbled upon this.

]]> By: Karonhienha':wi http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/political-issues/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Karonhienha':wi Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:30:22 +0000 http://throughnativeamericaneyes.com/?page_id=13#comment-3 Nia':wen Larry Nia’:wen Larry

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